The term subjective is used incorrectly all the time. People think it means something is too personal for objectivity. But for something to be subjective, the person stating the theory must be inside the subject group to which the theory is applied.
Otherwise, it is objective, not subjective. So just because it is your opinion that all boys are stupid, it is not a subjective conclusion unless you yourself are a boy. It is an objective conclusion if you are a girl or outside that set.
If a girl says boys are dumb, you can’t tell her “well that’s subjective because its your opinion.” That is incorrect. She is making an objective observation, because she is outside of the set and any subset of that which is being observed.
OK? I’m so tired of seeing “subjective” missused. And that is an OBJECTIVE statement because I myself am not in the set of those who missuse the term subjective. Just because it is my opinion alone does not make it subjective.
And of course, used that way is simply displaying an ignorance. So if can’t use it correctly, don’t use it at all. Something is dismissed as subjective, if the observer is a part of the same set for which they are drawing conclusions. An objective conclusion is better, when outside of that set for which conclusions or theories are being made. Objective is NOT the opposite of subjective, just because one is correct while the other is not. And subjective is when you are part of the set.
Please remember that. Divorce your brain from applying right and wrong to science. If you do not, you will only be able to factor by 2. No more intelligence than a silicone chip.
“So all explicit knowledge is imperfect?” I asked. “Tell Master Grandeur geometry is subjective. I’d love to watch that discussion.”
So in that quote, is “subjective” used correctly or not? It’s used to indicate “a singular opinion” rather than an observation occurring inside its own set. What would it take for geometry to BE subjective? The geometry itself would have to be the creator of geometry….?
So that’s an incorrect use, though it is a COMMON use and I don’t doubt the dictionary even has that as the correct usage. But it is not correct. Objective and subjective are scientific terms indicating the vantage point of gathering data.
If you are accused of having a subjective view, you are inside the set for which you are making conclusions. Also there can be an exception, if a conclusion is overtly beneficial to you or the set you do belong-to. That also can fall into an accusation that an subjective conclusion is being made. But just because a conclusion is being made by one person, does NOT make it subjective. One opinion is just as easily an objective conclusion. You are wanting to call any singular conclusion as WRONG…. And so since a subjective conclusion is considered incorrect, are calling any singular conclusion a subjective and incorrect viewpoint.
When singular viewpoints can easily and also be objective and thought out. Calling any singular discovery a subjective or incorrect thing and not possible to even be objective, of course puts a damper on any invention and any conclusions that might be different or singular.
It’s subjective of me to conclude all women who are tall hate short people. Because I am both female and tall. But if I say men can fly like birds if they jump off a roof and flap their arms. That is not a subjective statement just because it is only my belief or a wrong belief. What it is, is an incorrect objective conclusion. My believing that alone and by myself does not make it subjective. I would have to be a member of the set that is both a man and jumping from roofs. But even in the case of being in those sets, to be subjective in that situation would require having a disadvantage that hindered objective observation, such as the gravity where you tried jumping from the roof was non-existent and therefore your conclusions are subjective according to the variables of your experimental environment.
But if you have a subjective opinion, and everybody agrees that it is right, that does not change it to an objective opinion. If you have brown hair, and decide that everyone with brown hair are better cooks….. That is a subjective decision, because your data set includes an observation of yourself.
It is not subjective because its your opinion alone. If you have brown hair and concluded that all blonde haired people are better cooks. Then that would be an objective conclusion, because you are not mixing your data set with a preference corrupting any evidence.
To make a subjective conclusion is always to make a questionable conclusion. But a conclusion that you alone make, can be either subjective or objective. It does not automatically become subjective because you alone are making that conclusion. It’s only subjective if you are in your own data set.
Because objective and subjective are not opposites, but are dependent on each other… changing the meaning of subjective to a singular or personal conclusion, is going to change objective to mean a group decision or an already accepted conclusion.
But having an objective opinion is still seen as gathering data objectively or outside of the thing observed. It’s link to subjective had been damaged, though. And many that use the term subjective do not even know that it has its counterpoint objective.
you are changing the meaning of objective observation or conclusions, to mean accepted conclusions.
Therefore in new data sets, what are you going to do? You are going to base all observation on that which is already observed. Hence limiting the degree of understanding for any new or diverse pattern of earth, reality, or whatever you want to call it.
And that’s why the pattern we envision for outer systems like the solar system, is on a plane in the same manner a plane is observed with non curvature because lines are seen as having no degrees of bend.
It’s a limitation to imagination…. One common definition of one word is not what does that, but it does put a lock on the door you are shutting.
If I alone make a conclusion that all the people on earth are pretty stupid, that is not a subjective observation. You can’t say, well that’s your subjective opinion. No, it’s not…. It’s objective because I am making the conclusion objectively, based on impartial meters of my own intelligence as compared and contrasted to others.
And so the STATE of an observation or opinion is not what makes it subjective or objective. It is the state of the data gathering and the method that makes it subjective or objective.
Get it straight or stop using the word subjective. You all are driving me crazy. And that’s a subjective observation, naturally.
But not because it’s only me that sees it. No no no no! It’s subjective because I myself am in the set or subset on which I am drawing conclusions. If I decide that making you listen to me is driving you crazy….. That is not a subjective decision or conclusion. That has to be an objective conclusion because there is no way for me to be in the set of you. The set of you, is not me.
If you say that is your subjective conclusion, you are accusing me of basing conclusions on my own reactions, not on your reactions. And that’s possible…. but that’s not how people are using the term. They are using it based on the word subject, and decided the subject is the main character in a sentence, and therefore subject in subjective means the I or self. And so you are subjective if some thought appears self made rather than accepted or neutral.
And the term is connected to objective to define it’s use. If you accuse anything of being subjective, then you are saying it is not objective.
And since they are now calling any singular belief or anything that is belief at all, as subjective…. Are saying that no singular belief is objectively arrived or determined.
Eh….. Trying to find the right way to say this is very very hard. And that is a subjective statement, because it might be very hard for me and not very hard for someone else.
But I objectively consider that my conclusions could be wrong, simply because diction and language itself is a group conclusion. Therefore if most agree that a certain word means a certain thing, then that is what it means, and majority rules.
But this word definitely got twisted to mean something different than its original use. And people just love saying you are being subjective, in which they are saying that is YOUR opinion, not mine.
And I don’t know how to fix that or how to explain that determining if something is subjective or objective is quite a bit more involved than just deciding someone is alone in their belief.
But apparently you all needed a word for that. And you picked the wrong one.